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Wilson Woods
2004-05-26 16:02:16 UTC
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Another Year at the Federal Trough: Farm Subsidies for
the Rich, Famous, and Elected Jumped Again in 2002

by Brian M. Riedl

Taxpayers funding Washington's $20,000-per-household
budget have long known they are not getting their
money's worth. Farm subsidies are among the most
wasteful uses of taxpayer dollars. The budget-busting
$180 billion farm bill enacted before the 2002
elections not only encourages the crop overproduction
that depresses crop prices and farm incomes, but also
undermines trade and encourages other nations to refuse
American exports.

Perhaps worst of all, farm subsidies are not
distributed to the small, struggling family farmers
whom lawmakers typically mention when defending these
policies. Rather, most farm subsidies are distributed
to large farms, agribusinesses, politicians, and
celebrity "hobby farmers." This paper analyzes how
Washington distributed farm subsidies in 2002 and
illustrates that farm subsidies continue to represent
America's largest corporate welfare program.


Farmers Are Not Poor

Farming may be the ***most federally subsidized***
profession in America [emphasis added; ww]. The
persistence of farm subsidy programs results from the
popular misconception that they stabilize the incomes
of poor family farmers who are at the mercy of
unpredictable weather and crop prices. Yet a recent
U.S. Department of Agriculture report concluded that,
"On average, farm households have higher incomes,
greater wealth, and lower consumption expenditures than
all U.S. households."1 This statement can be broken
down into three parts:

* Higher incomes. In 1999, the average farm household
earned $64,437--17 percent more than the $54,842 v
average for non-farmers. Incomes were even higher
among the 136,000 households with annual farm sales
over $250,000--and who also receive the largest
subsidies. Their 1999 average income of $135,397 was
two-and-a-half times the national average.2 (See
Chart 1.) Farmer incomes are not only high, but also
quite stable from year to year, despite agricultural
market fluctuations.
* Greater wealth. The average farm household had a net
worth of $563,563 in 1999--well above the $88,000
national average.3
* Lower consumption expenditures. Farm households have
fewer costs than other households because (1) the
cost of living is lower in rural America; (2) farm
households need to purchase less food from outside
sources; and (3) mortgage and utility bills are often
classified as business expenses. Consequently, the
average farm household spent only $25,073 on goods
and services in 1999, which is $11,000 less than the
average non-farm family.

[remainder of excellent article at
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Budget/bg1763.cfm]
Abner Hale
2004-05-26 21:43:13 UTC
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Post by Wilson Woods
Another Year at the Federal Trough: Farm Subsidies for
the Rich, Famous, and Elected Jumped Again in 2002
by Brian M. Riedl
Taxpayers funding Washington's $20,000-per-household
budget have long known they are not getting their
money's worth. Farm subsidies are among the most
wasteful uses of taxpayer dollars. The budget-busting
$180 billion farm bill enacted before the 2002
elections not only encourages the crop overproduction
that depresses crop prices and farm incomes, but also
undermines trade and encourages other nations to refuse
American exports.
Perhaps worst of all, farm subsidies are not
distributed to the small, struggling family farmers
whom lawmakers typically mention when defending these
policies. Rather, most farm subsidies are distributed
to large farms, agribusinesses, politicians, and
celebrity "hobby farmers." This paper analyzes how
Washington distributed farm subsidies in 2002 and
illustrates that farm subsidies continue to represent
America's largest corporate welfare program.
Farmers Are Not Poor
Farming may be the ***most federally subsidized***
profession in America [emphasis added; ww]. The
persistence of farm subsidy programs results from the
popular misconception that they stabilize the incomes
of poor family farmers who are at the mercy of
unpredictable weather and crop prices. Yet a recent
U.S. Department of Agriculture report concluded that,
"On average, farm households have higher incomes,
greater wealth, and lower consumption expenditures than
all U.S. households."1 This statement can be broken
* Higher incomes. In 1999, the average farm household
earned $64,437--17 percent more than the $54,842 v
average for non-farmers. Incomes were even higher
among the 136,000 households with annual farm sales
over $250,000--and who also receive the largest
subsidies. Their 1999 average income of $135,397 was
two-and-a-half times the national average.2 (See
Chart 1.) Farmer incomes are not only high, but also
quite stable from year to year, despite agricultural
market fluctuations.
* Greater wealth. The average farm household had a net
worth of $563,563 in 1999--well above the $88,000
national average.3
* Lower consumption expenditures. Farm households have
fewer costs than other households because (1) the
cost of living is lower in rural America; (2) farm
households need to purchase less food from outside
sources; and (3) mortgage and utility bills are often
classified as business expenses. Consequently, the
average farm household spent only $25,073 on goods
and services in 1999, which is $11,000 less than the
average non-farm family.
[remainder of excellent article at
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Budget/bg1763.cfm]
That's an excellent article.

Why is it that farmers seem to think that their occupation is some
kind of holy calling, to be propped up with an endless trough of
Federal largesse?
Wilson Woods
2004-05-26 22:00:32 UTC
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Post by Abner Hale
Post by Wilson Woods
Another Year at the Federal Trough: Farm Subsidies for
the Rich, Famous, and Elected Jumped Again in 2002
[...]
[remainder of excellent article at
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Budget/bg1763.cfm]
That's an excellent article.
I thought so, too. I'm glad you liked it.
Post by Abner Hale
Why is it that farmers seem to think that their occupation is some
kind of holy calling, to be propped up with an endless trough of
Federal largesse?
I don't know, but the fact they do is undeniable, isn't
it? There's a lot of propaganda, big steaming stinking
piles of it, that reinforces the notion. It's all
crap. Farming is just a job like any other. It
deserves no special consideration, and it SURE as hell
doesn't deserve the view of it as a holy calling.
Bob Yates
2004-05-27 04:26:34 UTC
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Post by Wilson Woods
Post by Abner Hale
Why is it that farmers seem to think that their occupation is some
kind of holy calling, to be propped up with an endless trough of
Federal largesse?
I don't know, but the fact they do is undeniable, isn't
it? There's a lot of propaganda, big steaming stinking
piles of it, that reinforces the notion. It's all
crap. Farming is just a job like any other. It
deserves no special consideration, and it SURE as hell
doesn't deserve the view of it as a holy calling.
You stupid, rancid fucktard! Why don't you try for an
original insult? Oh, wait: you're a possum-fucking
rustic, aintcha?
If so you seem to have missed the part about almost every country in the
world assisting their farmers to a much greater degree than the USA
does. Why? Because no one wants to be held hostage to an overseas or
out of country food supply. Check policies in the EU and Japan for
examples.
Wilson Woods
2004-05-27 04:35:58 UTC
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Post by Bob Yates
Post by Wilson Woods
Post by Abner Hale
Why is it that farmers seem to think that their occupation is some
kind of holy calling, to be propped up with an endless trough of
Federal largesse?
I don't know, but the fact they do is undeniable, isn't
it? There's a lot of propaganda, big steaming stinking
piles of it, that reinforces the notion. It's all
crap. Farming is just a job like any other. It
deserves no special consideration, and it SURE as hell
doesn't deserve the view of it as a holy calling.
You stupid, rancid fucktard! Why don't you try for an
original insult? Oh, wait: you're a possum-fucking
rustic, aintcha?
If so you seem to have missed the part about almost every country in the
world assisting their farmers to a much greater degree than the USA
does.
So? It's still wrong here.
Post by Bob Yates
Why?
Because no one wants to be held hostage to an overseas or
out of country food supply.
No, that's NOT why. That's the politically saleable
rationale. It's bullshit. The reason is because the
farmers form a politically powerful interest group.
That's all it is.
Post by Bob Yates
Check policies in the EU and Japan for
examples.
Those are pure graft. There's no legitimate "national
security" angle to them at all. That's just spin.
Kringle
2004-06-13 03:35:11 UTC
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Form an organic farming coop. The growing trend in the upper class
communities seems to be organic foods. Organic agriculture just makes
sense...it is healthier for us to eat, and it tastes better. If you
truly love making things grow, then be kind to the earth from which your
crops and livestock are raised. The greedy like to help each other
out...but where would they be if there were none to put food upon their
tables. Would they know how to take care of themselves?

We all need help from people who have similar goals...birds of a
feather. We just need to look around us and form our flocks.
Post by Wilson Woods
Another Year at the Federal Trough: Farm Subsidies for
the Rich, Famous, and Elected Jumped Again in 2002
by Brian M. Riedl
Taxpayers funding Washington's $20,000-per-household
budget have long known they are not getting their
money's worth. Farm subsidies are among the most
wasteful uses of taxpayer dollars. The budget-busting
$180 billion farm bill enacted before the 2002
elections not only encourages the crop overproduction
that depresses crop prices and farm incomes, but also
undermines trade and encourages other nations to refuse
American exports.
Perhaps worst of all, farm subsidies are not
distributed to the small, struggling family farmers
whom lawmakers typically mention when defending these
policies. Rather, most farm subsidies are distributed
to large farms, agribusinesses, politicians, and
celebrity "hobby farmers." This paper analyzes how
Washington distributed farm subsidies in 2002 and
illustrates that farm subsidies continue to represent
America's largest corporate welfare program.
Farmers Are Not Poor
Farming may be the ***most federally subsidized***
profession in America [emphasis added; ww]. The
persistence of farm subsidy programs results from the
popular misconception that they stabilize the incomes
of poor family farmers who are at the mercy of
unpredictable weather and crop prices. Yet a recent
U.S. Department of Agriculture report concluded that,
"On average, farm households have higher incomes,
greater wealth, and lower consumption expenditures than
all U.S. households."1 This statement can be broken
* Higher incomes. In 1999, the average farm household
earned $64,437--17 percent more than the $54,842 v
average for non-farmers. Incomes were even higher
among the 136,000 households with annual farm sales
over $250,000--and who also receive the largest
subsidies. Their 1999 average income of $135,397 was
two-and-a-half times the national average.2 (See
Chart 1.) Farmer incomes are not only high, but also
quite stable from year to year, despite agricultural
market fluctuations.
* Greater wealth. The average farm household had a net
worth of $563,563 in 1999--well above the $88,000
national average.3
* Lower consumption expenditures. Farm households have
fewer costs than other households because (1) the
cost of living is lower in rural America; (2) farm
households need to purchase less food from outside
sources; and (3) mortgage and utility bills are often
classified as business expenses. Consequently, the
average farm household spent only $25,073 on goods
and services in 1999, which is $11,000 less than the
average non-farm family.
[remainder of excellent article at
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Budget/bg1763.cfm]
Chuck
2004-06-13 20:39:09 UTC
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Post by Kringle
Form an organic farming coop. The growing trend in the upper class
communities seems to be organic foods. Organic agriculture just makes
sense...it is healthier for us to eat, and it tastes better.
You do have research proof of all these statements. Not just what others
say. If you want a real fact, then look at how much longer we are living
since the early '40's. Incidentally, isn't this about the same time the
first pesticides and antibiotics were developed too? Also, there's a
definite line where cancer is greater, extending across the US. It is also
the same line where the glaciers stopped during the last ice age. And
almost everyone who has contracted cancer has also eaten carrots. Did the
ice age or carrots cause cancer too?

Chuck
Post by Kringle
If you truly love making things grow, then be kind to the earth from which
your
Post by Kringle
crops and livestock are raised. The greedy like to help each other
out...but where would they be if there were none to put food upon their
tables. Would they know how to take care of themselves?
We all need help from people who have similar goals...birds of a
feather. We just need to look around us and form our flocks.
Post by Wilson Woods
Another Year at the Federal Trough: Farm Subsidies for
the Rich, Famous, and Elected Jumped Again in 2002
by Brian M. Riedl
Taxpayers funding Washington's $20,000-per-household
budget have long known they are not getting their
money's worth. Farm subsidies are among the most
wasteful uses of taxpayer dollars. The budget-busting
$180 billion farm bill enacted before the 2002
elections not only encourages the crop overproduction
that depresses crop prices and farm incomes, but also
undermines trade and encourages other nations to refuse
American exports.
Perhaps worst of all, farm subsidies are not
distributed to the small, struggling family farmers
whom lawmakers typically mention when defending these
policies. Rather, most farm subsidies are distributed
to large farms, agribusinesses, politicians, and
celebrity "hobby farmers." This paper analyzes how
Washington distributed farm subsidies in 2002 and
illustrates that farm subsidies continue to represent
America's largest corporate welfare program.
Farmers Are Not Poor
Farming may be the ***most federally subsidized***
profession in America [emphasis added; ww]. The
persistence of farm subsidy programs results from the
popular misconception that they stabilize the incomes
of poor family farmers who are at the mercy of
unpredictable weather and crop prices. Yet a recent
U.S. Department of Agriculture report concluded that,
"On average, farm households have higher incomes,
greater wealth, and lower consumption expenditures than
all U.S. households."1 This statement can be broken
* Higher incomes. In 1999, the average farm household
earned $64,437--17 percent more than the $54,842 v
average for non-farmers. Incomes were even higher
among the 136,000 households with annual farm sales
over $250,000--and who also receive the largest
subsidies. Their 1999 average income of $135,397 was
two-and-a-half times the national average.2 (See
Chart 1.) Farmer incomes are not only high, but also
quite stable from year to year, despite agricultural
market fluctuations.
* Greater wealth. The average farm household had a net
worth of $563,563 in 1999--well above the $88,000
national average.3
* Lower consumption expenditures. Farm households have
fewer costs than other households because (1) the
cost of living is lower in rural America; (2) farm
households need to purchase less food from outside
sources; and (3) mortgage and utility bills are often
classified as business expenses. Consequently, the
average farm household spent only $25,073 on goods
and services in 1999, which is $11,000 less than the
average non-farm family.
[remainder of excellent article at
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Budget/bg1763.cfm]
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